Morning all.
That evil hag Meryl Dorey's at it again, trying to spread her pro-infectious disease, child killing agenda around Australia. This time she's organised a bunch of seminars throughout Central / Western New South Wales in August, mainly at ex-services clubs, where she and some cockend called Greg Beattie (Author of a probably self-published bound together collection of used fucking bog roll entitled "Vaccination, why I'm full of shit" or something - can't be bothered to look up the actual title right now) will bang on for bloody ages about the evils of TEH VACCINES - OH NOES!! Oh - and she's going to charge you fifteen Australian Dollars for the privilege of hearing her fucking whiny, nasal tones for god knows how long.
Now, you and I can laugh at the idea. We all know how fucking wrong and evil Meryl Dorey is. We know she tried to get hold of the medical records of a deceased child just so she could try and show that the child didn't die of pertussis. She's just fucking evil. But for those A$, there may be some nervous, new parents who might just take her message on board. And every parent who does, and so doesn't vaccinate their child, is endangering that child, and all those around him or her.
So, as a public service, here's a list of the places that "That Meryl" will be speaking at in August. There's plenty of time for these sensible clubs and event venues to cancel the booking, perhaps on the basis that she's fucking evil, so should you, my loyal reader, fancy perhaps dropping them a polite email, explaining that Meryl Dorey and her organisation of one is fucking evil, and how she'd like to see children around the world drop dead or become brain damaged due to preventable illnesses - and also possibly how the AVN has some very questionable financial practices (has anyone ever seen a copy of Living Wisdom - or is it just vapourware?) then that might just help.
Here's the itinerary:-
3rd August 2012
Inverell RSM
68-76 Evans Street
INVERELL
NSW
Australia
2360
manager@inverellrsm.com.au -
4th August
Moree Services Club
Albert Street
MOREE
NSW
Australia
2400
info@moreeservicesclub.com.au -
6th August
Gunnedah Services Club
313 Conadilly Street
GUNNEDAH
NSW
Australia
2380
info@gunnedahservicesclub.com.au -
9th August
Parkes and Services Club
7-19 Short Street
PARKES
NSW
Australia
2870
parkesservicesclub@bigpond.com -
10th August
Bathurst RSL Club
114 Rankin Street
BATHURST
NSW
Australia
2795
info@bathurstrsl.com.au -
12th August
Goulburn Soldier's Club
15 Market Street
GOURBURN
NSW
Australia
2580
info@goulburnsoldiers.com.au -
13th August
Tamworth Services Club
199 Marius Street
TAMWORTH
NSW
Australia
2340
info@tamworthservicesclub.com.au -
14th August
Armidale Ex Services Club
137 Dumaresq Street
ARMIDALE
NSW
Australia
2350
manager@armidaleservies.com.au
290 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 290 of 290Come on Chris, surely you can give us some actual examples of where those details of Meryl's lies are demonstrably wrong? After all, all that time in the police, you should have some reasonable talent for spotting inaccuracies in written testimony, shouldn't you?
Oh, and it's "flotsam" and "jetsam".
Sigh, I think we gave Chris enough opportunities to go over his figures, didn't we class.
27 X 830 micrograms (ug) = 22410ug
A microgram is one thousanth of a milligram (mg), therefore
22410ug = 22.41 mg
A milligram is one thousanth of a gram (g), therefore
22.41mg = 0.02241 g
PS - Not a millitre (mL) to be seen.
My only error was to replace mg with ml. The calculation is otherwise rock solid and 22.41 mg of Aluminium is significant. Dr Mercola has this to say.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/01/27/mercury-in-vaccines-was-replaced-with-something-even-more-toxic.aspx
Joe Mercola is a crank.
Have you found some specific examples of where the details of Meryl's lies are demonstrably wrong yet Chris?
Prove it with specific evidence that Joe Mercola is a crank.
Mercury fillings - utter crap:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/09/04/mercury-poisoning-from-silver-fillings.aspx
Aspartame - utter crap:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/11/06/aspartame-most-dangerous-substance-added-to-food.aspx
Nine good reasons to ignore Mercola:
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/9-reasons-to-completely-ignore-joseph-mercola-and-natural-news/
Dr Joe Mercola links and the other one not from Mercola you posted prove he is a decent and honest man.
Here is more evidence backing up Dr Joe Mercola.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/538419/how_mercury_produces_brain_damage/
They demonstrate that reality hasn't been kind to him.
So, about those examples of Meryl Dorey lying - which of them are demonstrably wrong?
The PDFS from Brpwrdnsfrnzy
by McLeod
are pure spin and remind me of journalist DEER who sought to destroy Dr Wakefield with lies.
Wakefield was a liar and child abuser. His 1998 study that didn’t show anything, much less a link between vaccines and autism, almost cost Jack Piper, then 5, his life when his bowel was perforated a dozen times during a colonoscopy that had no potential medical or research benefit nor ethical approval when he underwent the procedure in November of that year to further the research.
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2007/12/09/an-autistic-child-pays-the-price-of-andr/
And all of his sad rump of disciples put him up on a pedestal. Vomit.
Mokey your wrong. Dr Wakefield simply exposed a potential link between MMR and AUTISM. Journalist DEER was a paid hit man of the Big Pharma who stood to lose massive amounts of money so they paid money to write a lot of absurd lies to bring him down. The British Medical Journal were pressured and co-operated. Have your children had the 27 vaccines with total of 22.41milligrams of Aluminium up to age 4?
Have a look at his video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZHyLODgUvs&feature=plcp
So, Chris, if they're pure spin, which of the accusations are demonstrably false. They're all numbered, so if you can just give the part of the document, the number, and a quick summary as to why it's false, that'd be great.
If you could also provide evidence of Brian Deer being a "paid hit-man of big pharma" (an ironic statement if ever there was one, given his work exposing the Vioxx scandal - http://briandeer.com/rofecoxib-index.htm), that would be terribly helpful too. Also evidence of pressure being brought to bear on the BMJ. Without evidence Chris, your accusations are just conspiracy theories - not what I'd expect from someone who claims to have been a policeman. Do you remember what secures prosecutions Chris? That's right - evidence. As the phrase goes, "evidence, or STFU".
Who was Wakefield funded by, Chris?
Mokey whoever you are whatever your real name is - one would think you had the courage of your convictions to use you real name...you state that Andrew Wakefield is a child abuser. I hope you have actual proof of this as Dr Wakefield might be extremely interested as such as you and it is so easy to find out who you are should he wish to find out in case he should wish to sue you for defamation. So Mokey who are you? What is your real name and if you are so sure of your "facts" ... How can you be contacted? The internet is no surety of hiding as you can be easily discovered.
How very interesting - took the time to research this is what I found...only a few of those and I mean a few of those commenting seem to have a real background online - the bulk seem to be nobody with no online history - those of you who seem to care so much might like to declare who and what you are -
Chris Savage is who he says he uis and Middle Chile - me has quite an online history - my name is Therese Mackay - who are you all so we can see where your real loyalties lie
Mokey's profile is not available... http://www.blogger.com/profile/17492786759265392951
http://www.blogger.com/profile/11238418257285116685
Brpwrdnsfrnzy – this is wierd as it seems to have the same page posted over and over
http://pointing-and-laughing.blogspot.com.au/
Katie http://eviltwin-katie.blogspot.com.au/
Chris http://www.blogger.com/profile/14428361191787397415
Jackie
https://me.yahoo.com/a/smEz5IB.qsTeViZLtV6C4lDoefuFIAg2WDo-
sara http://www.blogger.com/profile/05877149503025876644
Racquel https://plus.google.com/110268511289521499633/posts
Scott http://www.blogger.com/profile/15846680024407174557
Linda http://www.blogger.com/profile/12529991298826525418 - real
unknown - http://www.blogger.com/profile/01935835434678509010 - real
rissa http://www.blogger.com/profile/15405484925840862872 - real
carol http://www.blogger.com/profile/11238418257285116685
He gave a group of autistic children invasive tests - including frickin' lumbar punctures and colonoscopies that in 9 out of the 12 were not clinically indicated ie - he did it just for the research, like poor bloody lab rats, and THEN made out in his paper that the procedures had approval from the Ethics committee, all the while being funded by lawyers acting for an MMR writ who were funded by Legal Aid.
He paid children 5 pounds each at a birthday party to undergo blood tests FFS. He has admitted all of these things.
http://www.gmc-uk.org/Wakefield_SPM_and_SANCTION.pdf_32595267.pdf
Proof of his own admissions are publicly laid out in the GMC panel hearing document:
http://briandeer.com/solved/gmc-charge-sheet.pdf
Tell me how the hell you can justify worshipping a lying unethical bastard like that?
"I took the time to research"
Wot - you-clicked-on-our-username?
Stellar job, hope you didn't wear out your brain.
YOu don't believe the information supplied by the hundreds of thousands of scientists and researchers who DO sign their names to the research papers proving the safety of vaccination - why would knowing my name or occupation legitimise me in your eyes?
Yes - Pointing And Laughing was set up to test something we were building at work. Never been used as a real blog. Nothing sinister I'm afraid. My identity really isn't that hard to work out.
Mokey is a punk hippie from the UK!!
http://www.blogger.com/profile/01336727957682386258
Devil worshipper too?
Brpwrdnsfrnzy works for the Guardian in the UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/user/brpwrdnsfrnzy
I'm not surprised. Part of the presitute media.
Lol, you'd love that wouldn't you Chris. I dunno about punk mokey, but at this very moment I'm enjoying my regular morning view through the verandah of the whitegums on the other side of my suburban acreage, just contemplating whether the shiraz and grenache vines need pruning this week.
Only devil I come across is the one that occasionally tempts me into drinking that second glass of red at dinner.
Andrew Wakefield story for laypeople:
http://tallguywrites.livejournal.com/148012.html
A recent study brings the issue of highly questionable vaccine trial standards to the fore yet again. Last year, India halted HPV vaccine trials being conducted by PATH, a USA-based not for profit non-governmental organization funded by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, after four girls died and 120 suffered serious side effects. A study into the alleged ethics violations concluded that the studies should not have been undertaken, as it would be impossible to establish efficacy of the vaccine in the areas selected due to lack of registration and monitoring of cervical cancer cases in India
Reference: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/07/07/pandemic-swine-flu-vaccines.aspx
Chris, by changing the subject once again without backing up any of your previous claims you are SO demonstrating the antivax cliche, as I noted about 18 posts into this topic.(Look up Gish Gallop)
Stop quoting Mercola. He's more corrupt than any of your perceived monsters.
Nice house he has:
60 Watergate Drive, South Barrington, IL, United States.Do a search for it on Google Maps.
He's lapping up every hit you lot make on his profitable websites.
4 People died. 120 were injuried all thanks to Bill and Melinda Gates pushing dangerous vaccines on poor people. But Mokey has it under control she shoots the messenger Dr Mercola for reporting.
RE Guardian Media Hack "brpwrdnsfrnzy"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/user/brpwrdnsfrnzy
I'm not surprised. Part of the presitute media.
brpwrdnsfrnzy
"four postvaccination deaths were reported from
AP, and two from Gujarat. No formal
Investigation of these deaths seems to
have been carried out, but the deaths
have been attributed to suicide, drowning, viral fever, suspected snakebite and
severe anaemia with malaria (Parliament
Proceedings 2010)."
Quoted from the source of Mercola's scaremongering article.
http://re.indiaenvironmentportal.org.in/files/HPV%20Vaccine.pdf
Correlation vs causation - shoulda listened in class a few posts back, Chris.
Unless you think vaccinations are causing the snakes to bite more often, I would be questioning your false God Mercola about the way in which he reports on "vaccine-related" deaths, Chris.
Here is a quote Mokey from that document you posted...."The team also interacted with the parents of one of the girls who died in January 2010, following the third dose of the vaccine.
A look at the findings of this visit, along with the recent admissions by the MOHFW and the ICMR about the nature of the projects and other related concerns, sug- gests that these projects – which were in fact research – violated existing ethical guidelines on clinical research, as well as child rights. These violations include – but are not limited to – testing on vulnerable and marginalised groups (particularly paediatric populations), who are not likely to benefit from the results of the research, and without taking their proper informed consent or assent." You are trying to mislead Mokey.
The team?
"a team of women’s rights activists"
The team consisted of women’s and health rights activists from Sama Resource Group for Women and Health, …, who have been active in the campaign against the HPV vaccine.
August 2010
Director general of Indian Council of Medical Research Dr V M Katoch
"I decided to suspend the trials because I wanted to first prove to the public that the allegations are false. I also want the general public to know that all ethical guidelines would be followed in this trial," Katoch said." "Activists were linking the deaths with the vaccine. There is however no link whatsoever. The vaccine has already been administered to 25,000 girls without any such adverse reports. "
Yes, Chris, you’ll be thrilled to know the power of scaremongering has far-reaching effects in an ill-informed population.
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(10)60881-1/fulltext?_eventId=login&elsca1=TL-210810&elsca2=email&elsca3=segment
Keep working at eroding public confidence, Chris and like-minded anti-vaxxers, and you can forget about your imagined vaccine-injured children - you'll be rewarded with the catastrophic reality of the return of preventable deadly disease
With regard to your trumpeting of the ethics violations claimed in India, remind me again Chris your stand on ethics in view of Andrew Wakefield's invasive medical procedures on 12 autistic children.
Its the same old story. The people suffer and die and the doctors deny any link to vaccines. Here is a trailer for you http://www.greatergoodmovie.org/home
Dr Andrew Wakefield didn't cause the AUTISM. That was the MMR vaccines. Dr Andrew Wakefield didn't do any surgery that caused perforations of any child's bowel. That was another incompetent doctor. Brian Deer is a sociopathic media and Big Pharma whore just like blogger Brpwrdnsfrnzy.
Oh well, using your insane logic the Pharma execs didn't personally give vaccines in India. Ner ner. Shakes head.
Lumbar punctures personally carried out by Wakefield, Chris, unnecessary lumbar punctures for the purposes of research only NOT CLINICALLY INDICATED. Justify the ethics.
Taking out a patent on a single vaccine 6 months before his research then abusing children and public legal aid to try and make the research fit. Justify the ethics.
Your thinking is in desperate need of benchmarking or correction. Consider the following.
You say Dr Wakefield performed Lumbar punctures on say 12 children.
Contrast that to the millions of bodily punctures done via vaccines.
In addition to that, the Lumbar punctures remove a few cells compared to injecting the equivalent of 110 drops (5mls) of serum read puss from bovine and other animal sources. In addition significant levels of neurotoxic Aluminium and other toxic filth that could be compared to a veritable witches brew.
Your blindness to this insane and deadly practice is extraordinary.
How do you get your head around Brian Deer exposing Merck's Vioxx scandal?
Brian Deer did not break that story. He just reworked what was already published in the US and also it took 60,000 people to die before that dopey bastard got off his backside and finally wrote something.
The other Merck scandal on vaccines has already begun to break and Brian Deer is a star player for Merck doing his part to stop the truth getting out.
Given Mercks deplorable and deadly conduct for decades why and how can you even trust them?
Unnecessary lumbar punctures on disabled children. Imagine the distress and discomfort these highly sensitive autistic children underwent. One could not cope with the procedure and was put under general anaesthesia
Indefensible under anyone's morals and logic.
So you don't have anything else?
MY thinking is desperate?
I'd just like to point out that this is blinkered, ethnocentric, hyperprivileged horseshit. You've had the luxury of developing and clinging to these fuzzy-headed notions primarily because medicine actually works. Thanks to decades of scientific research, and a fortunate birth, you have a relatively safe space in which to indulge your taste for magical thinking; there's little chance that your reveries about "nature" will be interrupted by an outbreak of smallpox or polio.
Countless people throughout the centuries would've given literally anything to have access to the medical methods and knowledge you sneer at. So would countless unfortunate people living right now, for that matter. You're incredibly privileged to be living here and now. Grow up and show some gratitude.
The professional anti-vax liars seem to be the dopey bastards who wont get off their backsides, learn some science, organise proper studies and prove all the claims they make about vaccines. It’s not as though there’s a shortage of money out there in altie-land.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE56T6MN20090730
Seriously, if that's where your morals are at, yeah, I got nothing.
Our society is what it is today due to Western Christian civilised culture and influence. Industrialisation has produced good and bad technology. Corporate criminals like Monsanto and Merck are doing more harm than good. My desire to end their corporate greed and domination of our lives does not fit with your drivel. Doctors do have a role in society and without the AMA pressure to fit into the narrow parameters set for them they would be better doctors. The reason money is being spend on ‘altie-land’ is because doctors do not have all the answers under their current training and education.
" doctors do not have all the answers under their current training and education. "
And you, with your zero medical training and education, with nothing more than your underdog appeal to thinking that you belong to a group that possesses secret knowledge that is being persecuted, do, right?
Oh, the arrogance.
I have the truth from parents of children injured and killed and your stedfast refusal to accept that vaccines are causing harm and sometimes death is evidence of extraordinary blindness to reality that is akin to arrogance. Your mantra is that vaccines are never causing deaths and injury.
Why does the USA have the following legislation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Childhood_Vaccine_Injury_Act
Where did I say that? Another typical antivax canard - gosh, you are a slave to those professional liars - accuse pro vaxxers of denying that there are any risks. Duh - the actual risks are well documented in the literature - I'm surprised you don't know this. CHris. You will not find one pro-vax person who denies the small risks that vaccines pose, including me.
The NCVIA is there to compensate REAL adverse post-vaccine outcomes, which don't include autism or SIDS or imaginary aluminium toxicity etc etc etc etc.
Simple.
The risks outweigh the benefits. Simple.
Imaginary risks are peddled by professional liars and swallowed then perpetrated by the gullible.
Simple.
Your silence on risks up to now combined with your stedfast refusal to accept the evidence from parents about babies deteriorating and dying after vaccines is and will continue to be unreasonable.
Tell me why the rate of SIDS in Japan did NOT drop when the minimum age of vaccination was changed to 2 years between 1975 and 1993, Chris.
Funayama M., et al. "Autopsy cases of sudden unexpected infant deaths examined at the Tokyo medical examiner's office, 1964-1993" Am J Forensic Med Pathol. 1996;17(1):32-7
Your attacks on Dr Wakefield are not justified.
http://www.mail-archive.com/cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com/msg05005.html
I will respond to the Japan Autism rate issue later.
Goodness Chris, DO keep up, that link is 6 years old - the hearings findings were finalised 4 years after that article.
(Oh, and please don't bother quoting Vera Schiebner on the Japan austism link - she lied in her book - The two articles that Dr. Scheibner references say that the number of SIDS claims to the vaccination compensation program declined to zero once the vaccination age was raised to 2 years. Of course, that would logically have to happen, since SIDS is defined as occurring in children age 1 year or younger. Since no one of that age could get the vaccine anymore, it would be impossible for someone to make a SIDS claim to the vaccine injury compensation program!)
Please provide the link to the refence you rely on to say that the deaths of babies up to 1 years continued after the vaccines were delayed until 2 years age.
Here is evidence showing that scientists conducted fraudulent research on the Austism issue for UK and Japan.
http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2009/06/03/japvaxautism/#Non_Science
This graph shows a corresponding rise in Autism with the uptake of vaccines.
http://childhealthsafety.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/aut_inc_vs_vax_prog.jpg
Surprise surprise murky Merck
http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2012/06/25/merck-scientists-accuse-company-of-mumps-vaccine-fraud-that-endangers-public-health-protocol-007/
mokey explain to me why the Amish people of USA have the lowest rate of vaccines in the USA also have the lowest Autism rate 1 in 10,000
Chris, I was just talking with our daughters this morning about this very same issue - the Amish have vastly better health that all other groups in the US on most measured fronts -Cancers, heart disease, Alzheimers etc and as you say Autism
Day-amn, bro, the Amish DO vaccinate - as was documented when a written survey was mailed to all Amish households in the largest Amish community in Illinois inquiring about their vaccination status and that of their children.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17133167?dopt=AbstractPlus
84% of Amish households reported all their kids had received vaccinations. Only 4% reported that none of their kids had received vaccinations.
Among all respondents who knew their own vaccination status, 281/313 (90%) reported that they had received vaccinations as children.
Not really much lower than the rest of America, Chris.
So – the Amish vaccinate but according to you have hardly any autism….hmmmm….I await your reconciliation of these two facts with bated breath.
OH, looky here, a clue for you : http://www.medpagetoday.com/Neurology/Seizures/2954
That autism/vaccine graph you link to comes from this BMJ analysis
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC26561/
that concludes “The risk of autism increased nearly fourfold among boys aged 2 to 5 years born in 1988-93 and registered in the UK general practice research database, whereas the prevalence of MMR vaccination was over 95% and virtually constant
These data provide evidence against a causal association between MMR vaccination and the risk of autism.
And yet whoever writes that ranting blog pastes their own hypotheses that have nothing to do with the scientific studies all over the graph, grasps at straws showing all you eager minions how clever they are and totally try and say the graphs represent the opposite of the real scientists’ conclusions. Misleading does not even begin to cover it. And yet nowhere do I see any plausible hypothesis from them about what exactly it is that they think is in vaccines that is causing autism. You try and pin it down for me Chris, find me a theory of the particular mechanism by which they think vaccines cause autism that hasn’t already been disproved.
Ill save you time and direct you to the studies that so far have found no link:
http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2011/04/15/studies-on-the-autism-vaccine-hypothesis/
Re: Merck lawsuit - shrug, pretty flimsy case there.
The two articles that Dr. Scheibner references say that the number of SIDS claims to the vaccination compensation program declined to zero once the vaccination age was raised to 2 years. Of course, that would logically have to happen, since SIDS is defined as occurring in children age 1 year or younger.
I hate the Japan lie, and it seems appropriate that the geologist uses it as an argument. I am surprised that it keeps coming back.
They forget to add that the increase of vaccination to age two after two babies died after the DTP vaccine (supposedly), brought pertussis back. When over forty babies died from pertussis in 1979, it was realized that vaccination was beneficial. You can read about it in Impact of anti-vaccine movements on pertussis control: the untold story and:
Expert Rev Vaccines. 2005 Apr;4(2):173-84.
Acellular pertussis vaccines in Japan: past, present and future.
The study you refer to was without any doubt paid for by pharmaceutical interests to try and counter the effect of Dr Andrew Wakefields study and conclusions in the community. Nevetheless I can clearly see that you are virtually imprisoned for life under the spell of chief witch brewing mass murdering criminal company Merck.
I note that you didn’t or were not able to provide any medical data to prove the vaccination rates of the Amish, only how they responded.
Non big pharma article below....
http://www.naturalnews.com/031782_Amish_health.html
I note that you didn’t or were not able to provide any medical data to prove the vaccination rates of the Amish, only how they responded.
I note you are not able to produce any medical data that shows vaccinations cause autism or sids. only how antivax groups respond to the current data disproving any link.
Mokey it would not matter one little bit what evidence I gave you because you are hook line and sinker sucked into the big pharma medical model causal connection bollocks.
And the following article by Dr Tenpenny exposes the machinations of the big pharma but you will undoubtedly write it off and attack and vilified Dr Tenpenny. The reason you do this is because you possess irrational anger which resides in you and comes out whenever someone challenges what you believe to be true.
Just in case I am wrong...here is the article.
http://www.newswithviews.com/Tenpenny/sherri3.htm
Here's the difference between a scientist and a conspiracy nut. Scientist: "If A is true, the B will happen. There is no evidence of B happening. A must not be true." Conspiracy nut. "If A is true, the B will happen. There is no evidence of B happening. Somebody must be covering B up."
And when all you can come up with is expose's written by ex-MDs who run clinics that peddle magic, well....you'll forgive me for choosing not to break a sweat.
Your investigative police skills are letting you down badly. I don't work for the Guardian - and never have. If you think that an account on Comment Is Free indicates me working for the Guardian, you're a bigger moron than I thought you were. And, given the nonsense you've posted recently, that's an impressive achievement.
The words that come out of BRPWRDNSFRNZY actually apply to himself.
and Mokey's comment about A and B Scientists is confused nonsense, much like the causal connection definition that is used to protect their baby killing crimes with vaccines.
I realise the science confuses you Chris, that's because science is complicated. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly complicated it is. I mean, you may think algebra is complicated, but that's just peanuts to science.
Thats where the problem is. Vaccines are given, baby deteriorates and dies and ordinary people can see there is a problem except those who state there is no causal connection according to their confused mind boggling training that you call science.
All hail the great God of Science, with its Holy waters and certainties. All hail the priests of science and heaven forbid one of them would dare to question because he then might be subjected to ridicule, and inquisitioon and accused of heresy.
Hm! Now how come that rings a bell. The "Science" could not be a religious dogma never to be questioned even in the face of proof?
If we not question "science" and its so called certainties we are doomed to stagnate. We do not know it all and I doubt the human race will but the way these closwns are behaving one would assume we are at the apex of all knowledge and all that remains is to smooth out the edges - i.e get rid of the Wakefields, the Doreys and those heretics who dare question.
Science has become the religion that Catholicism was in the Middle ages and some of it based more on power and money than on altruism.
The nation of Finland has now openly admitted that the swine flu vaccine “conclusively” causesnarcolepsy, a chronic nervous system disorder that makes people uncontrollably fall asleep. The Finnish government, in acknowledging this link, says it will pay for “lifetime medical care” for 79 children who have been irreparably damaged by the swine flu vaccine.
Narcolepsy isn’t the only side effect now admitted to be caused by swine flu vaccines: 76 of the 79 children also suffered hallucinations and “paralyzing physical collapses,” say Finnish researchers.
Remarkably, even though the link between swine flu vaccines and permanent neurological damage in children is now openly admitted by the Finnish government, there is absolutely no talk about halting the utterly unscientific ritual of injecting children with flu vaccines in the first place. Not only are flu vaccines harmful to children (as is now admitted), but flu vaccines don’t even work! A simple daily dose of vitamin D would do far more to halt influenza than any vaccine - see the site below
http://worldtruth.tv/swine-flu-vaccine-causes-chronic-nervous-system-disorders-2/
Well you buffoons must I point out the very computer on which you are writing your screed on is science.
That it is packed with rare earth elements which were extracted from the ground and refined with science.
That the electricity that powers the device is science. That the vast network of computers, cables and satellites that move the bits from your computer to the server and onto the client machines where it is read are science.
That the house you live in is science from the panes of glass to the insulation to the plastics and composites used throughout. That the foods and supplements you eat (even natural ones) are science thanks to processing, transportation, farming and automation techniques.
So science must only be bad when it suits whatever stupid point you want to make but somehow great otherwise.
Unless you live in a mud hut subsisting on wild grasses and animals, and write your articles on bark, all you are achieving is continual hilarious public demonstration that you haven't the faintest idea.
WHO has investigated the narcolepsy claims.
http://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/topics/influenza/pandemic/h1n1_safety_assessing/narcolepsy_statement/en/index.html
The increased risk of narcolepsy was only seen within a certain age range . In Iceland (but not Sweden or Finland) the increase in narcolepsy was also seen in those who were not vaccinated. And further, other countries (47 in total) that also used the Pandemrix vaccine have seen no increase in narcolepsy, including Norway, the UK, Germany, and Canada.
A very inconsistent pattern. The vaccine does not appear to be a consistent or unique risk factor for narcolepsy in these populations. The task force concludes from this that there must be another factor or factors that is combining with the vaccine to increase the risk. This is logically possible, but until this factor X is identified it remains speculation.
So you can unclutch your pearls.
Monkey... where did I say I was against science? Show me. I made the point that Science is not the new God - It has to be able to be questioned and challenged. Thos who challenge what is today "accepted" by mainstream should not be called "old Hags" such as with Meryl -(in the first post here) who is anything but... Not very scientific I would have thought to denigrate people based on age race or sex or belief - Once Mercury was used to treat Syphillis - it was the height of scientific treatment during WW1 - then used in Amalgam fillings which is another science going out of style - now the scientific use of Mercury in vaccines is okayed by some scientists - not all that's for sure - there is no safe level of mercury in the body and it is not needed for any internal use in any living creature.
Once Debendox (Bendectin) was used and we were told it was safe by scientists. it was used to treat nausea in pregnant women. Thousands of babies had birth defects from this. This was okayed at the time I had my eldest - luckily i out up with the nausea and vomitting!
When my mother had my next sister down all the mums were encouraged to take Thalidomide which is a sedative drug introduced in the late 1950s that was used to treat morning sickness and aid sleep. It was sold from 1957 until 1961, when it was withdrawn after being found to be a cause of birth defects.My sister was born in 1960 and again luckily Mum although offered it by the GP did not take it.
The list of "withdrawn" drugs and treatments since man began using herbs and other panaceas would be impossible to compllete because as time has progressed side effects have presented themselves - some which were not forseen some which were but were hidden to protect reputation and other.
It is good science to question to always question. I would not have made it past age 3 without modern medicine as I had a burst appendics - my husband would have died the day he broke his neck without Spinal medicine being where it was in 1982. Twenty years earlier he would have died.
No where have I denigrated science - pure honest and open to challenge science - what I have held up to scorn is the fact that for some - Monkey - The science of vaccination and all the ritual around it has become so protected that to question and research is seen as heresy...thats the point.
Re the issue in Finland - so you are telling me the whole report is wrong and they did not compensate the 79 children who developed Narcolepsy as a result of the Swine flu...we shall see...You ahven't shown e any reason why I should not believe what I have read.
Your comprehension is appalling Middle Child - you cannot even get my username correct, how on earth can I expect you are comprehending anything you read.
However, I will persevere if not anything, for the amusement of those playing at home.
You clearly need a refresher in year 9 level science.
Lets talk elements and compounds.
You continue to call thimerosal mercury. Do you refer to salt as chloride? It's the same thing - focussing on the element that on its own is dangerous, but when existing as a compound in safe levels is not dangerous at all.
Ethyl mercury. Thimerosal component. Not dangerous in the levels in vaccines.Not cumulative.
Elemental mercury. Dangerous, cumulative. Not in vaccines.
Methyl mercury. Dangerous, cumulative. Not in vaccines.
Please correct me if I am wrong with references to known data Middle Child.
Elemental Chlorine gas.Dangerous
Sodium chloride. Not dangerous sprinkled on your chippies. Dangerous in tablespoons per day.
The dose makes the poison.
Correct me with references if I am wrong anywhere in these points, otherwise I will assume you agree with the facts.
By the way, it is up to you with the opposing viewpoint to scientific consensus to come up with the evidence for that viewpoint.
Mokey - Monkey! "What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet."
Funny thing that I made the same mistake twice - that 'n' is a fair way away from the "o" and the "k" on the keyboard whoops!
This is a curious statement you make"
By the way, it is up to you with the opposing viewpoint to scientific consensus to come up with the evidence for that viewpoint." Now why would that be? Oh that's right one law for the believers and another for those who question.
I'm off going to walk the monkey ...er dog sorry another typo!
No response regarding your mercury error - very telling.
Maybe your monkey will come up with an answer after his walk.
http://www.johnlund.com/page.asp?ID=1391
Mokey is there a time limit or something. Some of us have other commitments - You might be interested to read RJKennedy Jnr's essay on this issue - and please tell me why so many countires have banned Thimerosal?
Eli Lilly Knew of Thimerosal Dangers for Decades
http://www.yourlawyer.com/articles/read/14607
A study done by UBC professor Dr. Chris Shaw published in the June 2009 edition of Toxicological and Environmental Chemistry found that thimerosal is toxic to the cells of an unborn fetus. Pregnant women are told not to eat tuna because it contains high levels of mercury, yet it is perfectly acceptable to inject mercury directly into a pregnant woman?! The US and Canadian governments assure us that thimerosal is not harmful, yet they have systematically removed thimerosal from every single childhood vaccine except for the (swine) flu vaccine. Russia, Denmark, Austria, Japan, Great Britain, and all the Scandinavian countries have banned thimerosal from being used in any of their vaccines. Now because I don't respond to the expected histrionics in here till tomorrow means not a jot - I do have a life outside - then again maybe I couldn't be bothered.
Your Googling would be so much more productive and accurate if you were to precede each search with Science Based Medicine.
Be sure and check out the full story of the history thimerosal in vaccines here.
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/mercury-in-vaccines-and-autism-a-failed-hypothesis/
If you can be bothered, or you can continue your flounce, and those playing at home at least will get the evidence-based explanation.
Oh just go away little person... you announce all your "finds" with such a flourish...its like being on the year 12 debating team...
Mokey that article was only written to defend big pharma.
All the toxic crap in vaccines are causing ADHD, ADD, ASTHMA, EPILEPSY, AUTISM, ECSMA ETC and DEATH.
Go to the Calgary University and look at their mercury video on brain tissue and get your brainwashed head out Merck and GSK toxic mud and realise what you are doing to everyone. Ethyl mercury or Thimersal is a 1000 times worse than Mercury despite what the gospel according to Merck, GSK and those big pharma murdering devil dogs are saying.
So many scandals come out of those criminal companies which include premature deaths to 60k Vioxx users. Cancer viruses in vaccines. Wake up its happening duped dopey mokey.
"Ethyl mercury or Thimersal is a 1000 times worse than Mercury"
Bloody hell, you ARE a moron.
"Mokey that article was only written to defend big pharma"
FFS - And you know this how, Chris?
Do you suggest with the hundreds of thousands of people involved in all of this, everyone would be able to keep this secret and not tell anyone not in the loop? What possible gain would someone on the lowest level of pay be able to achieve when they could simply break the silence and make millions on a lucrative book deal by telling us all about the alleged conspiracy? Or all book and magazine publishers part of this conspiracy as well?
I find it very weird that you come here telling me to think for myself, and then demonstrate that you are simply parroting what someone else has told you, and haven't the first idea what thinking for yourself involves. Pathetic.
Learn to find legitimate information on your own, that way you can tell if you are being lied to. If you want to actually be revolutionary instead of just patting yourself on the back for pretending to be revolutionary, start citing solid, peer-reviewed scientific journal articles. That's what it'll take to change my mind. Anything else just tells me you're interested in maintaining the status quo so that humans remain gullible and manipulable by easy propaganda tactics.
PS - The winning year 12 debating team.
FTFY Middle Child
Like I keep saying Brpwrdnsfrnzy...
whatever comes out of a persons mouth - thats what he is.
"whatever comes out of a persons mouth - thats what he is.
More commonly recognised as
“I know you are, but what am I?”
That’s basically the child’s version of a familiar logical fallacy known as the tu quoque, which basically means, “You, too!” It’s a very simple and simplistic logical fallacy that tries to argue that, if one’s trait shares one or more of the same bad traits of the people he is criticizing, then his arguments can be dismissed. It’s sometimes very effective in that implied within the fallacy is a charge of hypocrisy. As a diversionary tactic, it can be very effective, especially when there is nothing of substance to their argument.
Just feel the need to point this out:
"Testimony of witnesses who saw the deterioration of their children after vaccines will always take precedence over subjective pieces from the lancet."
29 June 2012 11:23
"The Lancet and the medical journals will not give you an objective expose of vaccines."
30 June 2012 01:23
But when The Lancet reports a link between vaccines and autism, it's solid? Even after the article is retracted from this publication that was supposedly flimsy in the first place?
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