Make your mind up…

John "Cock" Stone's new friends at Age of Autism are crowing over a recommendation in the US that doctors stop using Glaxo's Rotovirus vaccine, as it turns out that "FDA [Food and Drug Administration] has learned that DNA from porcine circovirus type 1 (PCV1) is present in Rotarix"

Now, it seems that this has been present for quite some time, there's no evidence that this is a safety risk, and not even AoA has been bleating about this vaccine. However, a potential contaminant has been found, so the FDA is doing the sensible thing and having the vaccine withdrawn. The morons at AoA are cock-a-hoop.

Now…

According to your common or garden pro-disease advocate and conspiracy theorist, vaccines are known to be dangerous by doctors, the government and "big pharma". So why, as soon as a potential problem crops up, is it openly announced on the FDA's website for all to see? It's not as though this is something that AoA or other pro-disease enthusiasts has forced out of them - this is safety information freely given by the very same groups who are accused of a cover-up about vaccine safety.

Kind of blows the whole conspiracy theory out of the water, doesn't it?

How the anti-vaccine lobby resembles the BNP.

Anti-vaxers aren't "pro" anything except disease. They're very pro-lethal disease. They'd not admit that though, so I'll let it pass for now.

Have you noticed though, that they like to claim (Jenny McCarthy's a regular offender on this one) that they're pro-"safe vaccines" - although they never explain what would need to be done to make them "safe" in their eyes.

They're lying.

You see, if groups like Generation Rescue and JABS were really pro-safe vaccines, they's either state what should be done to make the vaccines safe - or they'd be putting money into vaccine research - in order to make vacines safer.

They do neither.

I'm now going to turn one of the anti-vaxers' arguments back on them. They're always keen to label the medical "establishment" and anyone who doesn't agree with their point of view as "fascist" [1] [2] [3] (there are plenty more) , but in reality, they're the ones who resemble the fascist British National Party (BNP). The BNP have no positive policies - every one of their policies boils down to "send 'em all back", despite all the evidence that shows that this isn't even remotely addressing the problem, and is even less of a solution. Financial problems? Fault of the immigrants - send 'em all back. Crime? Fault of the immigrants - send 'em all back. Poor school results? Send 'em all back.

The anti-vaxers are the same. Any medical problem - it's the vaccines. Autism? It's the vaccines. AIDS? It's the vaccines. Allergies? It's the vaccines.

See what there is in common here? A need to blame someone else, a lack of positive intent, a lack of reasoned thought, a vitriolic hatred of anyone with differing views…

I'm sure I could go on, but there you have it. Anti-vaxers are the medical equivalent of the BNP.

Armed insurrection by loonies!

A question has been posted on JABS;

What are your plans if vaccines become compulsory?

An interesting question, and, if JABS didn't ban all dissenting voices, one which could provoke an interesting discussion. However, Divastrop has a better idea. Rather than discuss the issues, just KILL 'EM ALL!!

I think we the people would have to rise up and overthrow the government if that happened!
It would be totally against human rights, and I would hope that the UN or somebody would get involved otherwise there would be civil war and I don't think I'm being OTT in saying that

Actually, Miss Strop, I think you are going perhaps a teeny bit OTT…

No - Wakefield's findings not replicated.

That moron Seonaid has posted a link to an abstract of a paper on Age Of Autism:

Wakefield's Science Proven Valid Again In New Study That Replicates Findings

Here's the piece.

It doesn't show anything of the sort.

What it does show is that people on the autistic spectrum who have chronic gastrointestinal symptoms, erm, have chronic gastrointestinal symptoms.

I'm going to produce a study with the same methodology. I'm going to recruit 100 people with ginger hair, and look at them. Then I'll publish a report proving that people with ginger hair have ginger hair.

It's the same fucking principle.

Wakefield confirmed as Nasty Piece Of Work by GMC

OK, I paraphrase. "Dishonest", "misleading", "irresponsible".

Nine hundred plus allegations found "proved" against ninety odd "not proved".

No doubt there will be a foaming, frothing at the mouth backlash from the JABS loons, but at the moment they're all rather quiet.

Alternatively, they may realise they've been lead up the garden path for all these years and quietly accept my offer of an amnesty.

Pigs fuelled and ready for takeoff.

Doing the maths for JABS

"Gandalf" asks:

Wouldn't it be interesting if someone (not me) could work out the odds for being vaccine damaged verses actually contracting the disease and then being damaged by it.

OK, lets have a go, for the recent Swine Flu vaccination campaign.

Vaccinations handed out - many hundreds of thousands, if not millions. Credible reports of serious (long lasting) adverse effects or death due to vaccine, none.

Deaths from Swine Flu - around 360.

You do the comparison.

As an aside, it's interesting that the anti-vaxxers and the usual suspects in the press have been crowing, saying the swine flu outbreak wasn't as bad as predicted. None of them have mentioned that part of the reason for this is likely to be the vaccination of many thousands of people in high risk groups. There's no way of knowing for sure, obviously, but it strikes me that there could well have been many more fatalities without vaccination. Just a thought.

Jackie Fletcher gets legal aid, hires 'eminent scientist'

According to WiganToday.net, JABS' Jackie Fletcher has "…become the first person in the UK to be granted a form of legal aid to help take a claim to a Vaccine Damage Payment Unit tribunal."

This will be her second attempt to claim damages for her disabled son, whom she claims was damaged by his MMR shot - the first claim collapsed when it turned out she was trying to sue the wrong pharmaceutical company.

WiganToday.net then goes on:

And while the majority of the medical establishment remains set against links between the measles, mumps and rubella jab and conditions such as autism and Crohn's disease, the Fletchers now have the backing of an eminent American scientist who will testify for them.

And who's this eminent scientist you may well ask?

Dr Marcel Kinsbourne. Autism Diva has an interesting post on him and his performance at the autism omnibus hearings. Please read it - it's most amusing. He claims not to know the difference between an indexed and a non-indexed publication, it turns out he's not treated any children for 17 years (at the time of the hearing), and admits that if gut biopsy had not found measles, he would would no longer hold the opinion that this was a case of MMR causing ASD - it was shown that it was impossible for measles to have shown up in the gut biopsies.

So, hardly the expert that WiganToday claims. Presumably they're simply repeating what the Fletchers have told them.

I have every sympathy for Jackie Fletcher having to care for a severely disabled child for eighteen years or so, but hopefully when this is thrown out again she'll be able to admit she's wrong about the cause of that disability.

Edit: Kinsbourne's a favourite of John Scudamore's repository of all things anti-science, Whale.To. I think that says quite a lot about him… :-)

This is all over JABS

We are greatly saddened by the sudden death of Harry Horne-Roberts, who died in his sleep last week. It's not hard to imagine the pain, grief and anger they must feel at his passing. Deepest sympathy to his grieving parents.

We're all saddened about this, the death of Harry Horne-Roberts, whose parents believed his autism was caused by MMR - but was shown not to be.

That idiot John Stone (on AoA) is pushing this as a young man made autistic and killed by MMR, but actually, it's a young autistic man who may have received inappropriate treatment for his autism and other health conditions, and has died. There's a very big difference, and Stone (and all those who have reposted his evil, vile vitriol on JABS) know this, but they're co-opting the grief of his parents for their own vile pro-disease agenda.

The original, vile post at Age Of Autism can be found at: http://bit.ly/4s6uRJ

My thoughts, sympathy and best wishes go out to Harry's family, who have been horribly misled by the pro-disease lobby, and I want to throw John Stone into a pit of boiling ordure.

The most ludicrous forum name ever?

"Informed" has posted this;

*link to perfectly reasonable article about Crohn's disease*

Increase of 8 percent per year in children diagnosed with Crohn's
disease/Ulcerative colitis between 1994-2005.

Crohn's disease and Ulcerative colitis have been linked to measles
in research in The Royal Free Hospital London 1995( Lancet Medical Journal)

Irish Colitis & Crohn's Support
& Irish Vaccine Informed Parents.

Is Mr/Mrs/Miss "Informed" unaware of the fact that almost all of the authors of that paper have disowned it? Or that the lead on it, one Dr Wakefield, was paid to find those results and has been shown to have MADE UP the results after getting NONSENSE from his testing lab? Oh - and is fairly likely to be STRUCK OFF, after causing a scare that may well have KILLED AND MAIMED HUNDREDS OF CHILDREN?

"Informed"? Hardly, arsehole.

Evidence! Jenny has evidence!

Jennyr has posted this - this could be positively earth-shattering!

I have direct evidence that state-funded experts and their lackies will lie in order to avoid negligence claims.

Go on then jennyr, where is it? As the phrase goes; "Evidence, or Shut The Fuck Up". I'm expecting some serious investigative journalism.

While no-one will be terribly surprised, claiming that you have evidence isn't the same as actually having it. So, jennyr, let loose the fluffy bunnies in your head, and show us this evidence.

Religion and Anti-Vax-Nuttery

While I'm not usually one to quote "Worldwide Religious News" as a source, as it's Christmas, I'm going to:

Measles kills children of anti-vaccination sect.

Mind you, they're quoting this article in The Scotsman - and a search for the Joseph Marange Apostolic Church throws up all these results.

Once more, anti vax quackery kills children. Are you reading this, John "Cock" Stone, Jackie Fletcher, Clifford Miller, Meryl "Whoop Whoop Wheeeeeee" Dorey et al?

Anti Vax march a massive success

As you can see from this photo, the anti-vaccination march in Edinburgh today has been a massive success.

If you can't spot it, the protest is behind the bloke in the brown jacket.

(Thanks to @endless_psych for the photo)

Edit: Mr Psych has written about the protest.

Home education, the JABS way

There's a thread on the JABS forum (I say "thread", but until today it's just been one person posting) about home education. Perfectly reasonable really, Janet has been reposting stories about home education and autism / Aspergers. No mention of vaccines, and interesting.

Today, a fairly new poster ("lordboult")posted this:

We had to remove emily from special needs pt of school after spending a year encouraging her,autism via mmr.have home ed for 9 years she has improved in a fantastic way,but,LA hve been rude sarcastic and downright intrusive when each state ment is due,we have had to engage a specialist lawyer as emily is sixteen the la are having a final push!As for badman he is being monitered also he has a vague past and is connected to microsoft,the plot thickens! mike.

While I have no strong opinions on the benefits of home schooling of autistic children, I really hope this bloke is employing tutors… Hardly the way to gain support for home schooling, is it?

Edit: A quick search through the forum reveals some interesting conspiracy nuttery posted by lordboult:

the ghouls are at work again! they obviously have not replicated it correctly! do not move to porton down! In the 60' a man ran into the woods and died of bubonnic plague,shucks another failure.

Flouride has interesting history,I believe developed by farben and co
in germany in the thirties used to 'calm' prisoners etc in experiments(nothing about teeth!)but of course check foryourself,mike.

(I love that mis-spelling of "fluoride" - it seems to act as a flag for advanced frothing)

John Stone and friends lying again

While we're on the subject of mendacious bastards, there's a fairly recent post over at John Stone and Clifford Miller's ludicrous "Timecube" inspired blog "ChildHealthSafety". It's simply propagating a vaccine myth that was recently punted round the internet.

See the story [video just below] of previously healthy Desiree Jennings horrifically crippled only days ago by the flu vaccine and just 10 days after getting the shot. Desiree was a cheerleader and led an active life until now.

They then embed the "Desiree Jennings staggers around" video and cite it as clear evidence that the 'flu vaccine causes irreversible neurological damage. Under the title "Flu Vaccine Cripples Healthy US Cheerleader for Life".

Every neurologist asked about this case, and major dystonia charities have come to the conclusion that this is not dystonia, and that the symptoms are psychological, and as John Stone and Clifford Miller like to position themselves as the educated and rational face of anti-vax lunacy, you'd have thought that they'd at least have the decency to issue an apology saying "we were taken in too - sorry", or at the very least, to quietly remove the post. But no, they're keeping it there as "evidence".

John, Clifford - why not read this?

Fortunately, and frankly unsurprisingly, Desiree Jennings has now been "cured" of her condition by a quack. So that's all right then.

C'mon John - I'll accept it's an oversight - apologise, feel a bit ashamed and remove the post, or at least remove the insinuation that this poor girl's condition was caused by a vaccine.

Age of Autism / Generation Rescue come clean

I figured that while the JABS forum is a bit quiet, I could turn my hand to a couple of other moronic anti-vaccination / pro-lethal disease organisation, and possibly the most active of them is "Age Of Autism" (AoA).

AoA styles itself as a support forum for parents of autistic kids - when actually it's a vocal anti-vax and pro quack therapy lobby group.

It's also heavily linked with Generation Rescue, that organisation fronted by ex-porn star (that's not ad-hom, that's a matter of record) Jenny McCarthy, who these days spends her days campaigning to "Green Our Vaccines".

Now, as anyone with even a passing familiarity with English grammar knows, "green" is not a verb. Still, we'll let that go for the moment.

McCarthy / Generation Rescue's claim is not that they want vaccines banned (although that's clearly their ultimate aim), but they want to "green" them. They want unspecified "toxins" removed. At no point will they ever tell you exactly what changes would make them happy, but it makes them sound less rabid. Or at least, they think it does. Remember that - they don't want to get rid of vaccines, just make them less "toxic".

AoAs claim not to be linked to Generation Rescue, however, their legal editor, Kent Heckenlively has recently been pushing an initiative - "Green Our Vaccines". Now, unless Mr H and the loons at GR are remarkably in tune with each other when it comes to non-comprehension of the English Language, and mysteriously came up with the same nonsensical slogan at around the same time, I'd say there was quite likely a link.

Mr Heckenlively posts today his response to a few criticisms of the "Green Our Vaccines" initiative, including this spectacular own goal:

The Green Vaccines Initiative doesn’t go far enough – I read with great interest an open letter to me from the Natural Solutions Foundation which made the assertion that there is no such thing as a “safe vaccine.” I find myself in sympathy with such a view and am certainly acting as if there is currently no such thing as a safe vaccine by not getting any myself or having them given to my children. I might eventually take such a position. However, it seems to me that to move things forward we need to change public perception from the belief that vaccines are universally safe, to one that they have troublesome components which render them potentially unsafe to a certain subset of the population, as a prelude to a full and objective look at the safety of the entire vaccination program.

He then goes on to post a link to Generation Rescue's donation page.

So, the point of the program is to establish that no vaccines are safe one step at a time.

It's quite clear then, Age Of Autism is linked to Generation Rescue (as made clear by their legal editor), and their joint programme is intended to get rid of all vaccines. (Which, as we all know, will lead to the re-establishment of epidemic diseases and the deaths of thousands, if not millions of children worldwide.)

Hmm.

Oh, just shut the fuck up

http://www.jabs.org.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4745

How fucking stupid are these people?

Edit: Now I've got a little more time, I should point out that the post referred to contains the suggestion that "fear of dogs" is a side effect of MMR vaccination.

JABS poster in "Fuckwitted Ignorance" shock

Seonaid has posted this gem:

I'd think long and hard before going for the swine flu shot if I were you. This vaccine has been rushed through production without proper testing - it contains thimerosal [50% mercury] and a toxic adjuvant called squalene - use of which is supposed to be illegal in this country.

How many ways can you be wrong?

The swine 'flu vaccine has not been "rushed through", and it's been tested at least as thoroughly as seasonal 'flu vaccine. Squalene is not toxic - it's produced naturally in the body - and it's not illegal. I've ignored the thimerosal non-sequiteur, as it's been shown time and time again to not be dangerous at the levels found in vaccines.

Fucking idiot.

H1N1

JABS and other anti-vax nuttery sites keep repeating the lie that the Swine Flu virus is more dangerous than Swine Flu itself.

So far in England there have been 142 fatalities from Swine Flu. There have been none from the vaccine.

Do the maths yourself.

H1N1 jab better than expected!

Someone* at JABS tells us:

One person has died after being given the Government’s new swine flu vaccination.

Apparently, seven million doses of the vaccine have been given out, and since then, only one person has died! It seems that Swine Flu vaccine is the answer to eternal life!

* That fucking credulous moron Rosemary

Vaccine Lies / AIDS denial

Funny how these things so often go hand in hand, isn't it? Prime nutcases Gus The Fuss and John "Pigfucker" Scudamore are just two among the crowd at JABS who regularly put forward loony "alternative" HIV/AIDS ideas - or "dangerous lies" as I prefer to call them.

Well, it seems that this phenomenon isn't confined to the UK. Head of the Australian Vaccination Network, Meryl Dorey also appears to jumped on the AIDS denial bandwagon, judging from a posting on the organisations Yahoo Group:

Actually Katherine, nobody has ever 'seen' the HIV virus

and

the court is definitely out on both the existence of an HIV virus and the connection between what is seen under the electron microscope (whatever that may be) with the symptoms we've come to call AIDS:

No Meryl, the court (or, more commonly, "the jury") is most definitely not still out. Your pathetic lies were shown to be just that years ago, and linking to bonkers denial sites does not make anything you say true.

If anyone would like to do some sensible reading on AIDS myths, try AIDSTruth.org. That's advice Meryl Dorey could usefully follow.