Pity the fluffy bunny-wunny wabbits...

...that are apparently living inside jennyr's head, doing the driving.

Cruel and pointless animal experiments lead to drugs and vaccines which are then used in human experiments. What a horrible, sick industry....

Fundamental failure to grasp… well, anything…

AIDS denial is a favourite among the JABS bunch. So is utter stupidity, and a lack of understanding of basic English. elga chimes in with this gem:

Taking a close look at the name, AIDS, or Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome, we can see it is a nonsense. Is someone playing a cruel joke on gullible and unsuspecting people? I can go shopping and ‘acquire’ things, or enroll in a course and ‘acquire’ extra skills in say, languages or woodworking. But how does one go about ‘acquiring’ less of something?

It's like primary school in more ways than one.

Hitting the nail on the head

In 2006, that prize dickhead John Stone managed to sum his whole personality and reason for existing up in eight words.

I am as paranoid as the next person

There you have it. Nothing more needs to be said. I suggest you quote that back at him every time you see one of his foaming-at-the-mouth rants somewhere else.

More ironic than a bucketful of Alanis Morissette records

Words can not express how ironic this is. From John Stone, a man who could, were he to write his missives on olde fashonede payper, keep a medium size stationery company afloat through his purchase of green ink:

The twin spiritual sister of LCD is probably the serial letter writer Penelope Elphinstone, as reported in Private Eye:

Private Eye, 8th March 2002

MMR - HOMESPUN ADVICE?

Whenever a newspaper reports on the latest development in the in the MMR controversy, concerned mother and GP Dr Penelope Elphinstone seems to enter the debate via the letters page.

Undergraduate at the University of Google

Among the vicious, the mendacious, the incoherent and the deranged who post at JABS is another category. The utterly empty-headed, as exemplified by Jennyr, and her simple minded belief that all medical problems can be solved with a quick question to a search engine.

You know, it's no that difficult to avoid drugs and a lot of allopathic medical treatment these days. Google is a wonderful diagnostic tool - more accurate and with a lot less of an ego than the average NHS consultant

"Vacant" just doesn't do her justice.

New definition of "informed choice"

Anti-vax nutjobs have an interesting way of interpreting the English language - for example, the phrases "being open minded", "educating yourself" and "making informed choices" seem to acquire a new meaning; that of "believing every unhinged cockend on teh interwebs and then agreeing with me". Rational discussion is to be avoided, shouting down of opponents is to be applauded.

Truth Seeker provides a fine example here at the end of this rant about the perceived evils of AZT.

AZT is a probably the most toxic drug in the world and highly carcinagenic you can read all about here and its horrific history and how its based on very bad corporate science. A poison is a poison and a toxin is a toxin, changing whats its given for does not change this fact,only the the dosage or administration methods change, so it may be a slower poison than when given for chemo.

I would not touch this drug with a bargepole myself and would tell anyone who has been diagnosed HIV positive to educate themselves about AZT before taking it so they can make informed choices.

Hmm. IQ lower than hat size? Check. As a bonus, not only did he skip all his science lessons at school, he appears to have slept through most of his English lessons too.

Mad, bad, and dangerous to know

Every now and again you'll get a genuinely worried mum asking questions at JABS. A while ago, a new user posted that her child had a high temperature and was feeling unwell a week or so after his MMR jab. It seemed that she'd done the right thing, gone to her doctor, who had diagnosed an ear and throat infection and prescribed antibiotics.

Now Gus the Fuss proves himself not only mental, but capable of handing out genuinely dangerous medical advice.

I would stop the anti biotics as this wipes out his /her immune system…

Get a clinically trained homeopath to give him a remedy there is one I have heard that is good at fighting the vaccine in the early stages.Also any wireless devices baby monitors etc..mobiles radios switch them of or keep them at least 20 feet away from the child as the wireless waves stop detoxification.

He wants locking up.

KILLERS!!

Truth Seeker's obsessed by the evils of doctors and "iatrogenic death". You know, those people who are supposed to help you get better.

Its a fact that statisically a Doctor is the most likely person to kill you as proved by iatrogenic death rates.

Um, what can I say, apart from "Err, no."?

High Priest of Stupid

It's been remarked elsewhere that JABS / anti-vaccination is like a religion; if this is the case, its high priest is a really unpleasant man by the name of John Stone. If you've ever seen any articles on The Guardian's "Comment is Free", the BMJ website or the BBC website you'll have seen his beligerent, hectoring, and frequently science-free comments. His favoured arguing style is to ignore anything that's said, and then to continually bring up more and more irrelevent points until everyone else gets bored and stops posting. The next time he crops up, he then accuses whoever he was arguing with of "running away from the argument".

Having said all that, his posts are usually fairly lucid (if wrong, ill-informed or just plain nasty) - but I've read through this one seven or eight times, and still can make neither head nor tail of it. It's rather long, so I've shrunk the text down.

I only speak for myself but you are not entitled to elide concern about vaccine damage with fantasies about lizards dominating the world. Unfortunately, the US government does and that is bad enough. There are, of course, important vestiges of democracy and accountability left in the US but it is not happy place, and the present CDC and FDA are not properly run institutions. Actually, there is also a history of dotty and perhaps not so dotty secret societies, the American revolution was founded on Masonic Lodges: this is not controversial stuff in itself. Could the society that gave you the Iraq war give this - you bet. I, of course, do not agree with many things "John" says, and I would point out that many of his heroes probably count as "allopaths". Still, this is not my battle and I suggest that you are trying to muddy the waters: the science does not stand up on its own terms - this is my message, and I believe, the message of those who run JABS. Because of profit and laziness, followed by cover up, the fundamental safety of vaccinology has been compromised and ordinary people bear the terrible cost. Error is componded. To perpetuate all this without trying to sort it out does humanity no service.

I think he really does have a messiah complex.

The wonders of aluminium foil

This is an all time classic, courtesy of Gus The Fuss.

Were in the process of making a wooden box and covering it with baco foil two layers required for our son G and anyone to sit in to detox mercury heavy metals etc

From this I can only deduce that he's mental.

Fish = vaccines

"Aasa" is another of the JABS regulars, who has a thing about any internet-fashionable health scare. Again, here it's fluoride…

What does fluoride in toothpaste have to do with fluoride in drinking water? Think about it, man! It's like asking what mercury in fish has to do with mercury in vaccines.

How, exactly, does that work then?

A new form of immunisation!

Obviously medical science is missing a trick. "aobbard" writes;

When I was a child my sister had mumps.
My mum put me in the same bed so that it caught it too.
I never did.
Perhaps it was enough to give me immunity???!

Sigh. Does the idiocy never stop?

EMF rubbish and top quality witty banter

There's a poster on JABS by the name of "Suba". He (she?)'s obviously a little narked that wingnuts like Gus The Fuss and Truth Seeker are garnering all the plaudits for "most deranged poster of the week", and so has gone for it in a big way. Suba's personal gripe is EMF and mobile phones.

Preadolescent children are particularly vulnerable because absorption of GSM microwaves is greatest in an object about the size of a child’s head, due to the “head resonance” effect. This is also why 900 MHz cordless phones are not safe, even though they aren’t transmitting all the time.

Suba also repeats the misconception that Einstein said something about bees. When it's pointed out that this isn't true, he retorts in the wittiest of fashions…

Thomas P I am not going down to your level of scum. Inbred primate.

When this is quoted to him, he cunningly edits his post (the JABS forum software kindly points out when a post has been edited) to accuse "Thomas P" of misquoting him…

Frankly, it's a bit like being back in infant school again.

Irony

To some people, "irony" is like "silvery", or "coppery" - it's just a different metal. Our friend Truth Seeker obviously falls into this category.

Given that the arguments given by anti-vaxxers tend to be of the "listen to the mothers!" and "you're injecting poison into TINY BABIES!" type, this quote is splendidly ironic;

Parents whio question vaccines will only listen to honest scientific evidence, not tomfoolfery emotional blackmail guilt trips, they do not work on us.

i reject your ethics of emotional blackmail and think parents who question vaccinations are educated while those that jab away without question are foolish and ignorant.

I can just see him banging his little fist on a table (and possibly eating a banana) as he typed this.

Hocus Pocus, Bees and Locusts

Courtesy of that dribbling fool "Truth Seeker":

Why is becky so anti things just because there is no scientific explantion as to how they work?

Its in the realms of quantum physics/energy matter and maybe some people are just happy to use things that work and dont care how it works.

Personally anyone who supports such genocide and iatrogenic death as occam would be classed as insane compared to a belief in vibrational medicine.

"Quantum"; the last resort of the desperate man who hasn't a clue what he's talking about.

("Genocide" is one of Truth Seeker's favourite words. He flings it around as an accusation rather a lot, despite not knowing what it actually means.)

Ooh - population reduction paranoia!

To make up for missing a day, here's a spectacular example of paranoia and conspiracy theory posted a bit earlier on today, by "Suba".

Do not vaccinate your child. This muppet wants you to vaccinate your child even though he/she may suffer anaphylactic shock due to Neomycin. This coming from a pharma operative unmasks their true agenda: population reduction by way of extra profits due to increased illness requiring untested medicine.

Woo! Big Pharma are trying to KILL US ALL!!!

Words fail me…

I'm beginning to believe that some people really are controlled by goblins in their head. Consider this gem from "oscars mum";

Perhaps one day we could be treated with placebos instead of drugs and not have to suffer side effects!

I really hope there are no sharp objects in her house. Or anything with moving parts.

It's not just vaccines

Some of the more excitable posters at JABS aren't just worried about MMR, or even about vaccines generally. Oh no. Anything else goes. Politicians. Water fluoridation (or, more often than not, 'flouride'). EMF. Or, if you're lucky, all three. From "aobbard" - who has quite a thing for fluoride...

It is all very scary that these people have so much control over our lives. Not much different to the Mddle Ages excepet the death is just more subtle and lingering.
What I don't understnd is, that these things affect their own families. A certain MP has an autistic child and yet he claims never to have heard of EMR (electromagnetic radiation) and is in favour of water fluoridation. Both are linked to autism/adhd.
Is it just plain ignorance or something more sinister?

I'd suggest "paranoia".

Most of the time, it's possible to work out what a poster on Jabs is saying, or what train of thought led them to make some ridiculous statement or other, but this one has got me completely baffled. (Again, from the delightful Gus The Fuss).

Ocamm Ye All faithful to big pharma ,
How cheap how Chubby cheap cheeps !

end of i presume

Nnnno. Still haven't got a clue.

Complete cretins

There's a bloke who posts on JABS under the name of "Cybertiger". He's already posted comments on this blog, showing what a twat he is.

His real name is Dr Mark Struthers, and he's a GP. Really. He's a doctor. You know, the kind of person that you take yourself to, or your children to when they're not very well. If you're in Flitwick, Bedfordshire, he might even be your doctor.

His website's here.

He's a moron. I've never been quite sure whether he's against vaccinations or not. He is, quite clearly, worried about a couple of things; statins, and a man by the name of Professor Sir Roy Meadow.

When he posts on JABS, he manages to make himself look even stupider than he presumably is, by denying (and then trying to wriggle out of his denial) all kinds of accepted medical facts. AIDS, for example. During a discussion, where several members of the forum were denying the fact that HIV causes AIDS, Dr Struthers announces;

Why on earth should I think this anti-AIDS stuff is far fetched or even dangerous?

OK, a GP who doesn't believe that AIDS/HIV denialism is a bad thing. HOW STUPID CAN YOU GET???

This man should be struck off now.

I'll be posting more of his idiotic comments over the next few weeks.