JABS still attracting morons. :-(

I had hoped that JABS had ceased having any influence. Jackie "I want children to die" Fletcher has imposed a moderation system, Mark "Cybertiger" Struthers has been sacked from his GP position, and most of the rest of the loons there have been reduced to reposting shit from NaturalNews or Mercola.

However, every now and again, a new member (who may or may not be a sockpuppet) comes along, and has the same question answered…

That question is always "Should I vaccinate?"

That's exactly the question Jackie Fletcher and John "Cock" Stone want asking, so they can provide their stock answer - "No" - and can then repeat their stock arguments, stock canards, stock lies, and stock stupidity. Of course these posters are sockpuppets, but every now and again, some other moron (more moronic than Jackie Fletcher, which, frankly, takes some doing) chimes in.

If you are really worried about measles, I would suggest that you contact a good homeopath and speak to them about boosting your child's immune system and how to treat measles if they catch it. I have an 8 month old son and he is full of allergies and has severe eczema. There is no way that I am getting him vaccinated with the MMR or any other vaccines.

OK. Let's take this apart in the usual way.

A "good homeopath". How is a "good" homeopath any better than any other kind of homeopath? A homeopath will give you water, or sugar pills. Water, or sugar pills will not cure anything. Neither will homeopathic nosodes (homeopathic term for homeopathic vaccines) protect you from anything, because, get this, homeopathic nosodes are… water. Or sugar tablets. They're not going to protect you, or your children from anything. The homeopath that tells you that they will will be going to whatever hell they believe in, because they're charging you money for water. Or sugar pills. That they say will protect your child, but don't. Homeopathic nosodes, homeopathic vaccines are just water (or sugar pills) and they will not provide any kind of protection for your children. In effect, homeopaths are taking your money, and laughing as your children are left open to deadly diseases. But they don't care.

Could I make it any clearer?

Eczema and allergies in small children are conditions that can be treated (in severe cases), or more commonly, they'll be grown out of. You don't need a quack selling you water or sugar pills to assist that "growing out of".

More importantly, if you think that giving your child water or sugar pills is going to protect him/her from measles, pertussis, mumps or anything else, you're fucking deluded, and have clearly been lied to so many times by these quacks that you believe it. If you take their advice, your child could become seriously ill or die.

Measles can kill your child. Do you want your child to be protected against it by water? No. Unless you're a fucking moron.

Cybertiger vanishes

Cybertiger appears to have disappeared. Dr Mark Struthers is no longer listed as working at the Flitwick Surgery… I know he used to read this regularly, so, Dr Struthers - would you like to tell us the story? Have you been sacked, or struck off?

Edit: Many, many thanks to Steve on this one. It appears that Cybertiger / Dr Struthers has indeed been sacked for gross misconduct. Couldn't have happened to a nicer bloke.

How is it possible to be so stupid?

Suba wins the prize for "Moron Of The Month", by making one post, to which it's possible to reply "No, that's not true" to every single point.

If you have vaccinated your child with the routine vaccines leading up to the MMR your child is at greater risk from suffering seizure if exposed to measles by way of nature or vaccine induced. This is due to the aluminium content of vaccines leading up to the MMR in a child with raised body temperature.

That is why Calpol although an abhorrent pharmaceutical product recommended for fever reduction has not been withdrawn off the market for fever management.

Nature wants children to fever to kill virus and clear toxins through skin exantham.
The big pharma cartel want fever managed pharmaceutically and all there corrupt lackeys want to get away with putting aluminium in vaccines and prevent children from dying by using toxic sedation to artificially control body temperature. For the most part children survive but at what cost in the long term ....diabetes, MS, Chronic fatigue, obesity, reproductive disfunction and of course cancer. When they do fever the aluminium can damage the brain causing autism. Who benefits from all these ailments; big pharma, charities, doctors and lawyers can all feed at the trough of our damaged children.

The MMR has been testified to cause Autism although the vaccine itself has no aluminium content. Children who fever with the MMR and had all their pre MMR vaccine shots are at increased risk of vaccine damage due to aluminium loading in their small bodies from previous vaccinations.

There is less aluminium in a vaccine than in your daily intake of food - unless you eat saucepans for breakfast.

Aluminium has never been shown to cause diabetes, MS, "chronic fatigue", obesity, reproductive disfunction or cancer. Neither has any vaccine.

Suba is utterly, utterly paranoid, sucked into the "big pharma / big charity" conspiracy theories she clearly reads every night before bed.

MMR may have been "testified" to cause autism (ie, someone has claimed it is, with no evidence), but it has never been *shown* to cause autism. Anecdote is not data.

"Aluminium loading" seems to be the latest thing for the anti-vaccine mob since everything else has been systematically shown to not be harmful. Evil morons. If any worried parents, or parents to be are reading this - no. Aluminium in the miniscule amounts present in vaccines is not harmful.

The problem is that the loons at JABS can make ludicrous claims like these, without any kind of comeback. Someone, somewhere will believe them. It should be possible to have them sued, locked up, or shot in the face.

It's all about ME!

Truth Seeker gets viler by the day.

Taking a risk with a vaccine in order to protect third parties is an issue i find personally repugnant and a wonderful sales method.
I take full responsibility for my own health and would never ever ask a third party to risk a vaccine for my benefit or my childrens as i think it morally stinks.

Hmm - yes, asking someone to take a risk that you're not prepared to take, simply to help you is a very selfish way of behaving. However, it's exactly what Truth Seeker and the rest of the non-jabbers are doing. They're relying on herd immunity to protect their children, even though there's no good reason for their children not to be vaccinated.

Unfortunately, due to their crass stupidity and selfishness, that herd immunity can no longer be relied on.

Truth Seeker's argument also falls down when you consider the effect of the MMR vaccine. It protects the recipient directly. It's not a case of "take this to help others" - it's a case of "take this to help yourself"; herd immunity is the natural long term outcome.

Herd immunity protects the weaker members of society - the very young, and those with medical conditions which prevent them being able to take the MMR vaccine themselves. For anyone to state that they're not willing to have that as a side effect of a vaccine that helps them is just vile - the attitude of someone who'd not call 999 for an ambulance for a road accident victim, due to worries about running their credit down.

There is no autism epidemic

While JABS is a little short on lunacy at the moment - maybe that moderation is having an effect - I thought I'd post this link.

It's something I've argued for a long time (in person, not on this blog, so don't bother looking for it) - that the "autism epidemic" is mainly due to children who were diagnosed (or dismissed) in the 1970s and 1980s as being "slow", "retarded", or "special" are these days referred to as "autistic". It really is a difference in diagnostic criteria.

When I was at school, there were three boys in my classes who (and please - I'm not a physician, clinician, or any other kind of medical professional - this is an opinion) today would more than likely have been diagnosed as "autistic". Then, they were "difficult", "retarded", or just "weird". The descriptions that follow are purely from memory, from primary (2) and secondary (1) school. They're not intended to be insulting, nor are they intended to be clinical diagnoses.

One boy sat rocking in his chair all day, dribbling, hardly able to speak in coherent sentences, while being able to finish maths tests quicker than anyone else in the school.

Another boy was also able to perform the hardest maths problems set him (at age 9), but was unable to write a simple word (say "cat", or "and"), and had a terrible fear of water. Consequently he came to school stinking, but would not be washed by his mother or by teachers - when they tried, he would get extremely violent, attacking teacher with whatever came to hand; scissors, chairs, tables etc.

A third boy had to be (at secondary school) led from class to class by a friend, otherwise he screamed the house down - but he scored good grades in all subjects except English, right the way through school. He just had no social skills - I once sat across the aisle from him in an exam, and watched him spend the whole exam feeding a long, sticky trail of snot from his nose directly into his mouth with the end of a fountain pen. For three hours. He never wrote a word.

Those are children who today would no doubt be labelled "autistic" - and would receive the help they needed and deserved. They'd also become statistics. The statistics that Jackie "Measles" Fletcher and John "Cock" Stone happily quote to show an autism "epidemic". It's not an epidemic - it's a change in diagnosis. It's symptomatic of a society that is far more keen to give someone a proper label, a society that is far less likely to simply discard children like those I've described above, a medical profession which now realises that labelling children as "retards" or "cretins" isn't acceptable.

However, that medical profession that is doing its best to atone for the sins of the past and is trying to help is now vilified by the anti-vaxers like Stone and Fletcher, and accused of all kinds of ills by the alt-med loons (Truthseeker, jennyr, Gus The Fuss) and conspiracy merchants (Minority View, Gus The Fuss (again)).

You all know you're wrong, that there is no "autism epidemic", that the intoduction of MMR hasn't pushed up autism rates, but you've invested so much of your life in pushing your point that you can't admit you're wrong.

I'm still offering an amnesty. Just be big enough to admit you're wrong, and spend your time looking after your children rather than putting all your efforts into apportioning blame (Gus, John and Jackie) - and I'll buy you a drink and shake your hand. How about it?

I hope they take their own advice

That prime arsehole, Truthseeker, has this gem of advice for anyone suffering from 'flu.

They [Tamiflu] do have some nasty side effects and are nowhere near as effective as they are made out to be.
Check out elderberry extract or tincture or make your own at home from dried elderberries and vodka, Safer and lot more more effective.
It can often just abort the Flu in 2 or 3 days.

If you get swine 'flu, please let me come round your house and watch you try and shift it with a spoonful of elderberry jam and a couple of bottles of Smirnoff.

Edit: Gus the Fuss and jennyr are suggesting now would be a good time to book a holiday to Mexico, as Swine 'Flu doesn't exist, and you can probably get cheap tickets right now. Oh please, pleeeeease… I'm tempted to offer to pay for their tickets, provided they take John "Cock" Stone with them.

Mr Whale on Spanish 'flu

John "Pig Fucker" Scudamore has, predictably, chimed in on Swine 'Flu and Spanish 'Flu.

The only serious so called viral attack, Spanish Flu, was a mass vaccine poisoning. The only way they can get you is if you are unwise enough to take a vaccines, but they have to be careful not to make the vaccine look like the cause.

For anyone who's even considering taking some sort of advice from the JABS forum, this must surely be the final nail in its credibility. Given that the Spanish 'Flu virus has been identified, photographed and recreated - and that there's not a shred of evidence to connect all the dead with a common vaccine, "Pig Fucker" has well and truly shot himself in the foot this time.

Unsurprisingly, he has a page on Whale.to about Swine 'Flu, including the usual conspiracy theories and lies.

Woopee, just like the AIDS virus, a so called 'deadly combination or 3 viruses' that turned out to be harmless, assuming it, HIV, even exists! Just a ploy to get people onto deadly AIDS drugs, and stop the proper treatment of the usual African diseases.

and

Avoid all vaccines, they started the fake AIDS epidemic with a Hepatitis B vaccine. If they cared about viral attack they would be using Vitamin C, Zapper and Ozone, three decades old cures (over no drug cures). But you can't create a panic if no one fears viruses, or sell vaccines and Tamiflu

I hope he gets hit by a bus.

Interestingly...

Since the news that Meningitis cases have fallen massively in the last few years, due to vaccination programmes (BBC News), only one thread has started on JABS on this subject. And it only has two posts, both of which have been today.
( http://www.jabs.org.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4017 )
Both the posts have been by "Jackie" - this may be Jackie Fletcher, although she tends to post as "admin" - and both are simple reposts of the BBC story I've just linked to, and a story in the Independent, both of which are overwhelmingly pro-vaccination.

Shall we start a sweepstake to see how long it takes before there are extra posts from the usual JABS morons, pointing out that this simply proves that the vaccinations aren't required, due to naturally falling levels of meningitis.

I reckon someone - John "Cock" Stone, Gus The Fuss, Truth Seeker or John "Pig Fucker" Scudamore - will try and spin it as an anti-vaccine story.

Truth Seeker, possibly that most ironically named moron, has come up with this splendid untruth:

When it comes to drugs and vaccines i disagree with all sentiment. a sentiment is nothing but a thought, view, or attitude, especially one based mainly on emotion instead of reason.

When the only argument against vaccination is based on appeals to emotion ("Won't somebody think of the babies?!", "There's COW FOETUS in your vaccines", "You'd agree if it was YOUR child!", "YOU HAVEN'T GOT A VACCINE DAMAGED CHILD, YOU EVIL BASTARD, HENCE YOU CAN HAVE NO OPINION!" etc etc) with no scientific basis, this is deliciously ironic.

Um - Just Say "Twat"

justsayno has made a rather remarkable assertion when it comes to measles:

I was born in 64 and am pretty sure I did't get any vacinnes until I was at least 12 months old. They weren't vaccinating for measles then - my brother (2 years older) caught it and had a complication - it may have slightly impaired his hearing on one side - but he is a professional musician so it wasn't significant.

So, a hearing impairment isn't significant? Especially not for a professional musician?

I have relatives who are professional musicians. I think they'd take exception to that. Obviously in justsayno's world, "musician" isn't a real occupation, and a permanent hearing defect, one that these days could be avoided, isn't a problem.

MORONS! MORONS!

There was just hope left at the bottom…

"Emerald" asks:

I have heard that some surgeries have asked for written withdrawal of consent for the child to have a vaccine/vaccines. Has anyone been asked for this and did you provide it?

I hope so. I really do. I hope my surgery asks for written consent, I hope your surgery asks for written consent to not vaccinate children. I hope surgeries take the lists of those who refuse vaccination to the local paper. I hope the local paper print those lists with the headline "THESE PEOPLE WANT CHILDREN TO DIE!". With pictures. I hope the local schools refuse to deal with them. I hope they get run over by other stupid people in 4x4s. I hope their children get taken into care - where they might get some love and proper healthcare, rather than being abused by neglect by their natural parents and used as some kind of trophy to 'prove' their parents' mental anti-science views. They might have a happy, healthy childhood that way, rather than be subjected to fifty year old "healthcare" (be deliberately introduced to carriers of potentially fatal diseases - hey, it's good for them!) , and suffer (and possibly die, get encephalitis, or be made sterile) by/from measles or mumps.

I don't want unnecessarily unvaccinated children at my daughter's school when she starts in September. I want the parents to be outed, shamed, and put in the stocks for public ridicule and humiliation. I want my daughter, and all other children to be safe and healthy, not put at risk by the likes of "Emerald", Jackie Fletcher, John "Cock" Stone or Gus The Fucking Fuss.

Fucking MONSTERS.

MORONS! MORONS!

Back in the 1980s, there was a popular rôle playing game, called "Tunnels and Trolls". It had a spin off wargame, called "Monsters! Monsters!", which was apparently named from the cries of rôle players when swarms of, um, monsters turned up.

Hence the title of this blog post.

I cry it, every time I read the shit that's posted at JABS, or Childhealthsafety, or AgeOfAutism, or, frankly, anywhere…

The JABSers are crowing over the über-brainless-twat Jenny McCarthy's appearance on the Larry King Show (which I believe is quite popular in the US of A).

The JABS crew are claiming some kind of twisted victory:

See for yourself this remarkable US TV coverage of this issue in full - five parts - many more videos too.
http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2009/04/08/larry-king-autism/

Unfortunately for the likes of Clifford "Big Red Cockend" Miller, John "Cock" Stone, Jackie "I want to kill children" Fletcher and the rest of the JABS crew, McCarthy and her cock-end of a boyfriend Jim Carrey managed to make a complete arse of themselves.

Here's a pretty good deconstruction of what was actually said.

Fletcher, Stone, Miller - you can just fuck right off - your USA poster girl has made you all look really, REALLY stupid.

Open and closed mindedness

I've gone on at length about the JABS crowd's use of the phrase "open-minded" and "closed-minded" - here's an excellent YouTube Video (Via the ever-excellent Orac), which everyone at JABS should see.



(My only quibble with it is its repeated use of the phrase "close-minded". "Closed-minded", surely?)

John Scudamore - what a fucking arsehole

JABS has recently become a moderated forum - ie, all posts have to be approved by some kind of "referee", before they appear on the site. Presumably Jackie "I'm happy for kids to die" Fletcher has taken this step to stop the kind of racist, homophobic, anti-semitic, anti-science, conspiracy-driven shit that is symptomatic of the the frothing loons who inhabit the JABS forum.

Good plan.

However, this isn't the case, as can be seen from this post from John "Whale.To" Scudamore;

DDT was behind the polio epdemics, and polio was the label they used to hide that fact. They were spraying it from planes, and up alleyways as they thought it was spread by flies. It got into the milk supply as well.

When they brought out the vaccine they kid the cases under aseptic meningitis, mostly, but there about 20 different terms they hid it under eg

Guillaine Barre Syndrome (GBS), Chinese Paralytic syndrome, CHRONIC FATIGUE SYNDROME, epidemic cholera, cholera morbus, spinal meningitis, spinal apoplexy, inhibitory palsy, intermittent fever, famine fever, worm fever, bilious remittent fever, ergotism, ME, post-polio syndrome, acute flaccid paralysis.

I was wondering what the fallout from the DDT spraying would be.

If they cared about malaria they would be using Jim Humbles cheap cure. Just like they would use Vitamin C to cure 'infections' such as polio, meningitis etc. Meningits looks to be a poiosn disease anyway

Shall we take this to pieces one step at a time boys and girls? Good. Then we'll begin.

DDT is an insecticide, used to keep down the mosquito population. Wikipedia has quite a good article on it. Polio (or, more accurately, "Poliomyelitis") is a viral infectious disease. A virus. Passed from person to person.

While DDT is nasty stuff, it's not a virus. It's a synthetic chemical. It cannot cause polio, because (are you keeping up here Scudamore?) IT'S NOT A FUCKING VIRUS.

Let's move on. Meningitis is inflammation of the protective membranes covering the brain and spinal cord. Again, Wikipedia has a good, not-too-scientific layman's piece on it. It's not polio, and wouldn't be confused with it. Also - it's a condition, not a specific disease. It has several causes. It's not just poisoning.

Malaria is an infectious disease caused by protozoan parasites, transmitted by insects - mosquitoes usually. Those same mosquitoes that DDT is used to control.

These are three completely separate diseases / conditions. Vitamin C will not cure any of them. They are not similar (other than all being potentially lethal).

However, morons like Scudamore (and others on the JABS forum) prefer to believe that all three are different names for the same thing, and has been spread deliberately by governments, the Elders of Zion, or the Bavarian Illuminati.

You can laugh at Scudamore for being an insane whackjob, but his ideas on vaccination are as bad as Stone, Fletcher, MV and Hilary "Liar" Butler. They will, if taken to their logical conclusion, lead to children dying. That, in my book, is attempted murder, and they all want locking up.

Please, read this

This isn't about JABS. This is a link to a post on ScienceBlogs by "Orac".

http://tinyurl.com/jennymccathyisamoron.

It just brings together so many anti-vax lies, and then points and laughs at them.

They're American, but those arguments happen at JABS. Jackie Fletcher, John Stone et al, please read this, then explain here why the article doesn't blow your article out of the water. You murderous bastards.

There's a fairly new poster on JABS, who goes by the name of "Spambuster". He or she has made an interesting point:

As the average age of diagnosis of childhood autism is 3-4 [depending on which sources you use] and for Aspergers it is around 8 years old, this means that half the children of those average ages will not yet have been diagnosed.

If this is the case, how come anti-vaxers claim that parents can identify the very moment their child started regressing into autism? And that moment is always shortly after vaccination? Or do they write the moment on a calendar, then wait between two and seven years before taking any concerns to a doctor?

Statistics

Minority View gets more of an arse every time she posts on JABS.

"Advice3" has made some comment,

The position often stated in this forum is that the decline of measles etc was due to better sanitation and hygiene, and not vaccination.

This is true. The JABS position has always been that measles deaths have been on the decline, and so measles would have died out without vaccination. The truth is somewhat different, as I outlined in my last post.

Minority View now agrees with me.

You dudes really cannot get things straight, can you?

Decline in measles, no. Decline in measles deaths, yes.

Just look at the rate of measles deaths in U.S. in 50s and compare to rate of measles deaths in Africa. Were all the children vaxed against measles in the U.S. in 1950? No. Did they die by the 100s of thousands? No.

But this may be too subtle a concept.

No, MV. It's not "too subtle a concept" - we understand that. Measles mortality has dropped dramatically, mainly due to, as you say, improved hygiene, better medical care, antibiotics etc. Measles incidence has dropped dramatically due to vaccination.

What may be too subtle a concept for you, is what's mind-fuckingly obvious to the rest of us;

If death from measles has dropped to such a low level - say, one in 10,000 - then if thanks to vaccination the actual number of children infected is in single, or the low double figures, then the number of deaths will be zero. Or maybe one in ten years.

If, however, you don't vaccinate, and every child gets measles, at that such low level, we'll have ten, twenty, thirty, a hundred deaths a year. And that's deaths. Kids are left permanently disabled due to measles and mumps. Yes, they may well be kids with reduced immune function - but if you vaccinated all the kids around them, they wouldn't be exposed to measles in the first place. YOU MORON! But you don't actually care, do you? You, Stone, Fletcher - you don't care about real children, dead children, do you? No. You care about proving your vile pseudo-science point. You've been shown to be wrong again and again - but you can't let it lie. And children will die because of you. You evil witch.

Now - how difficult is that?

Minority View, and all those who support her witterings, WANT CHILDREN TO DIE.

Anti-vaccinators should be retitled as "advocates of lethal diseases".

Lies, misrepresentation, and abuse

With the absence of any good news for the anti-vaccinators, the JABS crowd have gone back to their favourite hobbies: being abusive, misrepresenting data and doling out dangerous medical advice and misinformation.

First of all comes a new poster by the name of "catrin-m", who posts a link to the comments on a BBC piece about vaccines (not the piece itself, just the comments), and asks what the JABS regulars think about it. Sounds like a sock puppet to me, designed to give the ranters something to shout about. Sure enough, the king of incoherence, Gus the Fuss pipes up with a link to Clifford Miller and John Stone's blog, Childhealthsafety (oh, the irony). He then quotes from the site;

This is the data the drug industry do not want you to see. Here 2 centuries of UK, USA and Australian official death statistics show conclusively and scientifically modern medicine is not responsible for and played little part in substantially improved life expectancy and survival from disease in western economies.

All this is is the tired old graphs about mortality rates, the graphs that purport to show that measles would have died out without vaccines. Which is bollocks. Over the last hundred years or so - the period that Miller's graphs cover - standards of nutrition have gone up, hygiene has improved, and the standard of medical care has improved massively. Of course mortality rates were on the way down. Miller extends the rather vague "best fit" line to "demonstrate" that measles would have died out anyway. The trouble is, he doesn't show the incidence rate. This is perhaps a little more informative:

Measles incidence, showing quite clearly where the vaccine has (or had, until the anti-vax lobby decided to start trying to kill children) pretty much wiped measles out.

No-one is arguing that in "Western" countries, the consequences of catching measles aren't as dire as they once were - better health care, better nourished (generally) kids means a far lower percentage of kids actually die from the disease - but without the vaccine, the number of kids catching the disease would be so much higher, and hence the number of deaths proportionately highter.

Why Gus the Fuss, Clifford "Twat" Miller and John "Cock" Stone can't see that is beyond me. It's basic maths. (Actually, it's not beyond me. The reason's perfectly clear - between them they don't have the intelligence to win a battle of wits with a dandelion.)

John Scudamore (owner of Whale.To, pig farmer, and self-confessed receiver of arse burns through sitting on a ley line) then chimes in with pretty much the same argument, but, as is his style, endlessly quoting his own website and assorted discredited "Experts", especially the late Robert Mendelsohn. He cites conspiracy;

usual BBC propaganda, like the Times, along with most of the comments, never managed to get anyting onto BBC comment section yet.

(Yes John, that's because you're fucking mental)

In a subsequent post, Scudamore cites that proven liar Hilary Butler:

"Take the 1991 measles epidemic. They calculated that this epidemic costs the country 8 million dollars to treat the 9,000 plus cases. I'm not sure about that figure, but the FACT that over 60% of those children were appropriately vaccinated was never taken into consideration in that calculation."

Hilary Butler's another one with a poor grasp of maths - or a good grasp of maths, but uses it to misrepresent statistics in order to back up her argument that vaccines don't work.

If you have a population of (say) one million, 95% of whom are vaccinated with a vaccine that prevents infection 95% of the time, and lets say that a disease will infect 50% of non-vaccinated people, if the whole population are exposed to the disease, then:

50,000 non vaccinated people - 25,000 will get the disease.
950,000 vaccinated people - 47,500 will get the disease.

So, yes, in this simple example, 65% of those who got the disease were vaccinated.

If no-one had been vaccinated, around half a million would have caught the disease. You're an evil witch (and a liar) Butler.

Finally, John Stone weighs in:

I think Finn's piece was offensively patronising. A miscalculation which shows a shoddy intellect.

All I have to say about that is "Pot, kettle, cunt."

Andrew Wakefield tries to fend off the fact that he's a liar

The anti-vax-o-sphere has been awash over the last couple of days with the news that "Saint" Andrew Wakefield has made acomplaint to the Press Complaints Commission about the article in the Sunday Times (note to overseas readers: It's the "Sunday Times", not the "Sunday Times Of London". Just the "Sunday Times") that alleged that Dr Wakefield FALSIFIED THE DATA that lead to the 1998 study. That's the study that was published in "The Lancet", and subsequently retracted by nearly all its co-authors. Basically, the allegation was that DR ANDREW WAKEFIELD LIED. Given the potentially massive financial gains he stood to make if MMR was discredited, I can believe that.

Of course, as soon as the Sunday Times published this, the usual cock-end suspects leapt from the woodwork to discredit Mr Deer's reporting. John "Cock" Stone, Age of Fucking Autism (AoFA), JABS, fucking everyone. Interestingly, they didn't focus on the important point (that Wakefield HAD MADE IT ALL UP and had FALSIFIED HIS RESULTS for FINANCIAL GAIN; rather, they bleated on about the fact that Brian Deer had found this out by having access to documents that they claimed he shouldn't've had. Despite the fact that they'd been brought into the open in the GMC hearing against Wakefield.

So, faced with these career-destroying allegations, what does Wakefield do?

Well, it seems that he's spent a month or so writing A 58 page complaint to the Press Complaints Commission. The PCC, who can give a paper a slap on the wrists for unethical behaviour.

Interestingly, he hasn't instructed solicitors to go after the Sunday Times with the full force of England's not insubstantial libel laws - if someone printed untrue allegations about me that would destroy my career, that's what I'd do. But no. He contacts the PCC, and then… get this… issues a fucking press release about it.

So, you can see the thoughts going on in the mind of this fraud. Press release about complaint gets splashed all over the internet and (hopefully) supportive and gullable print media, complaint gets laughed out by PCC, silence. It then appears that he wins. It costs him nothing to complain to the PCC, avoids actual real allegations, and makes him look like the "maverick doctor, fighting for truth" that he wants to be.

When actually he's a fraud, a liar (he also repeats the untrue allegation that Brian Deer is the original complainant to the GMC) and a quack.

There's stuff on this at JABS but I can't even be bothered to quote the shit there any more.

John Stone - "paranoid" doesn't even come close…

John Stone has lost it big style. Already known for his loathing for The Guardian's "Bad Science" writer Dr Ben Goldacre, he's really gone off on one over a comment made in the NHS Blog Doctor blog.

"Dr John Crippen", the author of the blog has posted an interesting piece about, and video of Dr Goldacre's appearance on the "London Tonight" television programme, pointing out how dangerous LBC's Jeni Barnett was when she broadcast an hour long anti MMR vaccine rant.

He's also posted a couple of links to other blogs which discuss the making of the piece, and how a reference made to "radioactive paedophiles" at the end of the piece had to be removed. The story about a "radioactive paedophile" is here. Having watched the video, it's clear that the reference to the story was intended to show how the press sensationalises science, turning anything it can into a scare story.

All very reasonable.

However, that pointless dickhead John Stone doesn't see it like that. He sees the reference to "radioactive paedophiles" as a personal attack on him and the rest of the JABS crowd.

I see the latest thing from him is that we are "radioactive paedophiles"

This is outrageous paranoia, and narcissism. It's also potentially libellous; no-one's calling anyone a paedophile, radioactive or otherwise. This is pointed out to Stone by a couple of posters, interestingly, including "jabba" - a staunch anti vaxer - who also posts the text of the actual "radioactive paedophile" story I linked to above. He finishes his post with one of the most sensible things anyone's ever said on JABS;

Lighten up John. Not everything is about you.

John "Me me me me me" Stone's not having this though. He retorts;

I have no doubt that this is where the epithet "radioctive paedophile" comes from but it is a pretty obscure reference, and I didn't suggest Crippen invented the term. Crippen used it in the context of people who expressed reservations about the vaccine programme. This is hate rhetoric. It is no use you and Advice 3 pretending that he didn't say it, or didn't mean it.

Advice3 points out to him how idiotic he looks;

"This is hate rhetoric. It is no use you and Advice 3 pretending that he didn't say it, or didn't mean it." has nothing to do with vaccination; your attempts at distortion and spin are making you look rather sad.

Jabba continues;

If you are going to refute them it is incumbent for you to understand what they are saying.
If you are really convinced that Goldacre called you a radioactive paedophile, then you should file a complaint with London tonight, or consult a solicitor.

Stone appears to realise that he's made himself look a bit silly, and starts wriggling;

The phrase wasn't used on London Tonight and it was not used against me personally so that is an absurd suggestion. There isn't much of a clue to what "radioactive paedophiles" is about, but it come at the head of a piece about people who doubt the safety of MMR, so it is evidently a piece of atmospherics.

Stone, you cock, there's every clue as to what "radioactive paedophiles" is about - there's a link to the story, and if you read the text in the link about the making of the piece, and actually bothered to watch the video, you'd realise that it's not got anything to do with you, you self important, pompous TWAT. Do you think anyone really wants to give you the oxygen of publicity? No. You're a fucking moron who realises it's all going horribly wrong, but you'll keep bleating until you're blue in the face, because you can't possibly admit that your only reason for existing is a tissue of lies, idiocy and fabrications.